Comments on: Birthshite? http://www.jewdas.org/2009/06/birthshite/ radical voices for the alternative diaspora... Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:17:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: BaruchTrotsky http://www.jewdas.org/2009/06/birthshite/comment-page-1/#comment-109 BaruchTrotsky Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:51:15 +0000 http://www.jewdas.org/wordpress/?p=505#comment-109 theschaff: that figure is certainly contested/out off date see here http://www.mmu.ac.uk/news/news-items/news-detail.php?id=1066 which suggest that aviation's figure is currently 4.9% In the UK, the government think it represents 5.5% of our emissions and the estimate that its share will have approximately doubled by 2050, so were talking around 10% These figures, coupled with the fact that aviation is our fastest growing source of emissions make it indeed a major contributor, and one that, along with most other areas, needs to be drastically reformulated. theschaff:

that figure is certainly contested/out off date see here

http://www.mmu.ac.uk/news/news-items/news-detail.php?id=1066

which suggest that aviation’s figure is currently 4.9%

In the UK, the government think it represents 5.5% of our emissions and the estimate that its share will have approximately doubled by 2050, so were talking around 10%

These figures, coupled with the fact that aviation is our fastest growing source of emissions make it indeed a major contributor, and one that, along with most other areas, needs to be drastically reformulated.

]]> By: theschaff http://www.jewdas.org/2009/06/birthshite/comment-page-1/#comment-106 theschaff Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:31:31 +0000 http://www.jewdas.org/wordpress/?p=505#comment-106 further corrections: "We’re all fucked... And aviation is a major contributor to this" I'm afraid, Geoffrey Cohen, that 4% is not a major contribution. Now I'm sure there are many valid criticisms of Birthright, might I suggest that you find a one, rather than building a straw man, before beginning your next rant. http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/aviation/006.htm 'The accumulation of atmospheric carbon dioxide due to aircraft over the next 50 years is projected to increase to 5 to 13 ppmv... this is 4% of that from all human activities assuming the mid-range IPCC scenario.' further corrections:

“We’re all fucked… And aviation is a major contributor to this”

I’m afraid, Geoffrey Cohen, that 4% is not a major contribution. Now I’m sure there are many valid criticisms of Birthright, might I suggest that you find a one, rather than building a straw man, before beginning your next rant.

http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/aviation/006.htm

‘The accumulation of atmospheric carbon dioxide due to aircraft over the next 50 years is projected to increase to 5 to 13 ppmv… this is 4% of that from all human activities assuming the mid-range IPCC scenario.’

]]> By: Guy Paikowsky http://www.jewdas.org/2009/06/birthshite/comment-page-1/#comment-63 Guy Paikowsky Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:15:34 +0000 http://www.jewdas.org/wordpress/?p=505#comment-63 ok i havent read it carefully, you did say birthright was free. ok i havent read it carefully, you did say birthright was free.

]]> By: Guy Paikowsky http://www.jewdas.org/2009/06/birthshite/comment-page-1/#comment-62 Guy Paikowsky Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:14:29 +0000 http://www.jewdas.org/wordpress/?p=505#comment-62 just a few corrections: 1) Birthright is free: http://www.ujia.org/israel-experience/programmes-over-18/959/birthright-israel/ "This exciting trip offers 21-26 year olds (20 yrs for students applying for UJS trips) an inspiring free ten day educational trip to Israel." 2) "You still get to engage with Jewish identity, but in a context of the extraordinary religious tolerance and co-existence that flourished in mediaeval Spain." Is this some kind of a joke? You've been sorely misinformed, get your facts straight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_Decree And even today, Spain is brimming with "real", "old-school" Anti-Semitism. 3) While the discussion about carbon emissions is somewhat relevant, it doesn't have anything specific to do with Israel. So while I tend to agree with your main point (Birthright is dumb), I also have to recommend you do your homework so it can be taken seriously. just a few corrections:

1) Birthright is free: http://www.ujia.org/israel-experience/programmes-over-18/959/birthright-israel/
“This exciting trip offers 21-26 year olds (20 yrs for students applying for UJS trips) an inspiring free ten day educational trip to Israel.”

2) “You still get to engage with Jewish identity, but in a context of the extraordinary religious tolerance and co-existence that flourished in mediaeval Spain.”
Is this some kind of a joke?
You’ve been sorely misinformed, get your facts straight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_Decree
And even today, Spain is brimming with “real”, “old-school” Anti-Semitism.

3) While the discussion about carbon emissions is somewhat relevant, it doesn’t have anything specific to do with Israel.

So while I tend to agree with your main point (Birthright is dumb), I also have to recommend you do your homework so it can be taken seriously.

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